{"id":6903,"date":"2025-10-07T14:28:16","date_gmt":"2025-10-07T19:28:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?p=6903"},"modified":"2025-10-07T14:28:47","modified_gmt":"2025-10-07T19:28:47","slug":"stocks-continue-to-rise-despite-very-low-consumer-sentiment","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?p=6903","title":{"rendered":"Stocks Continue to Rise Despite Very Low Consumer Sentiment"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Stocks hit all-time highs near the end of the third quarter. The S&amp;P 500 Index ended the third quarter at 6,688, with a price to earnings ratio (P\/E) of 22.8x. This is a lofty P\/E compared to the 30-year average of 17.0x. However, it is not as high as the peak of technology euphoria on March 24, 2000, when S&amp;P 500 stocks traded at a P\/E ratio of 25.2x.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The J.P. Morgan chart below shows the index hitting a potential new inflection point. This chart has been showing new inflection points many times the past four years; it is hard to tell yet if we are actually there. As we saw in a previous quarterly newsletter, markets can still rise from all-time highs. In fact, from 1950 to today, 30.4% of all-time highs acted as a market floor. A market floor is defined as an all-time high from which the market never fell more than 5%.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"639\" height=\"466\" data-attachment-id=\"6906\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?attachment_id=6906\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3.png?fit=639%2C466&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"639,466\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3.png?fit=300%2C219&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3.png?fit=639%2C466&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3.png?resize=639%2C466&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6906\" srcset=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3.png 639w, https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-3-480x350.png 480w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 0px) and (max-width: 480px) 480px, (min-width: 481px) 639px, 100vw\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Better than expected second quarter earnings, coupled with a drop in interest rates from the Federal Reserve Open Market Committee, contributed to the rise. In fact, according to a Factset report dated October 3, 2025, analysts increased earnings per share estimates in aggregate during the quarter for the first time since fourth quarter 2021.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"535\" height=\"305\" data-attachment-id=\"6904\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?attachment_id=6904\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1.png?fit=535%2C305&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"535,305\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1.png?fit=300%2C171&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1.png?fit=535%2C305&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1.png?resize=535%2C305&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6904\" srcset=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1.png 535w, https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-1-480x274.png 480w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 0px) and (max-width: 480px) 480px, (min-width: 481px) 535px, 100vw\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>While analysts are increasing estimates, consumer sentiment is almost to a 50 year low. The J.P. Morgan chart below tracks consumer sentiment since 1971. Logic might say that if consumer sentiment is low, the stock market would not perform very well.&nbsp; However, this caution can actually be a good sign. The average subsequent 12-month S&amp;P 500 stock return following the nine sentiment troughs was 24.1%. The 10 times sentiment was at a peak the S&amp;P 500 only returned 3.9% the following 12 months.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"683\" height=\"497\" data-attachment-id=\"6905\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?attachment_id=6905\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2.png?fit=683%2C497&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"683,497\" data-comments-opened=\"0\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-medium-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2.png?fit=300%2C218&amp;ssl=1\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2.png?fit=683%2C497&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2.png?resize=683%2C497&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-6905\" srcset=\"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2.png 683w, https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/image-2-480x349.png 480w\" sizes=\"(min-width: 0px) and (max-width: 480px) 480px, (min-width: 481px) 683px, 100vw\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Don\u2019t count stocks out yet. While caution is warranted at these lofty prices, economic indicators point toward the potential for ongoing earnings gain.<br><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Stocks hit all-time highs near the end of the third quarter. The S&amp;P 500 Index ended the third quarter at 6,688, with a price to earnings ratio (P\/E) of 22.8x. This is a lofty P\/E compared to the 30-year average of 17.0x. However, it is not as high as the peak of technology euphoria on [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"off","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2}},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-6903","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p7kXxe-1Nl","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6611,"url":"https:\/\/schenkelberg.investments\/?p=6611","url_meta":{"origin":6903,"position":0},"title":"Market Forces. 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